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Sep 14, 2007, 07:14 AM // 07:14
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Ascalonian Squire
Join Date: Sep 2007
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Guildwars chinese player
dear sir/game manager:
Here from china,let me introuduce myself first,i am one of the chinese' GW(guild wasrs) players,my name is bright_luo As a chinese GW player, we don't know anything about Arena and the chinese agent: the 9citys' relationship. But we hope we have rights to know something about game's update information. But why can one of the best world wide game on china be a rubbish game? Why a one of the best game in china only have few people playing, even most of people don't know what GW is ! Why can a world famous company(the9city) break its promise whitout any scruple? And the most facetion thing is that under the9city's eyes we china mainland won't belongs to the earth! Now,let me explain these things,ignore the testing time,GW open to the public on march of this year, it use to be more than 150lines on askl,and more than 30lines on random area,but now ,but now all the area only have one line and most of the area have no player in that map. The Innuendo thing is that in chinese's GW there are only 5~6 team playing GvG now. why so many player left GW or change to other country's server? When the game first face the public,the9city promise they won't delete any player's data,but it shut down the china-cnc area whitout any compellent reason on july!i think it's a world joke to whom already a NASDOQ conpany!Here a links(http://gw.replays.net/cms/News/2007-...182437951.html) On 31/8 the Guild Wars expansion Eye of the North already open to the world, but in china we can't get any news and massage about the expansion, Even the china gw official website(www.gw.the9.com) doesn't renew the massage for a long time. As a Gw player we all very angry about that. We don't know the main reason about why the expansion can't open in china but at least we have right to know it's that open or not.Maybe chinese mainland doesn't include in the earth i guess! "www.gw.the9.com" the official website havn't updata for more than three months,and the gw translate team is disband! Almost no netbar(the place where there are hundreds people playing the games) you can see the GW advertisement(the situation of china is that a mmorpg want to be fashion and prosperous,the agent must take many time and money on netwar) There is a big problem in chinese GW. If a new player want to play GW in netcafe or at home, when they down load the game and after setup, they can't join into the server, it always has "mistake code 058". I just take half and hour to fix this problem for my friend when i write this letter. This is a big reason why so many people left GW Other bugs i don't tell anymore,but the above ones,who's fail?who is in spite of our mainland palyers emotion?It's funny that the two world famous company can't settle these problem? whatever happens GW is still the best game on the world,yes the BEST! Chinese players whom play it still stay or had left all said it's at least as good as wow(world of warcraft) We all prepare our money to pay for GW,most of the chinese GW players are adults and rational, and the most biggest game consumer parts ,we are social elite because of our age(between 20-30) and the internet time! We think you Arena will give us a good reply,so we organise the players and left their signs and hope you won't disappoint the whole chinese' GW players! Please expansion Eye of the North please link to the international line please charge the game! We love this game deeply crazy hardly!Please please please give us the same rights! Bright_Luo 20070913 ------------------------------------------------------- Dear Sir/Madam, Thank you for your precious time to read this letter, we would like you to take a moment to read this. To start with, we are a group of GW from China, who love playing GW. But the running of GW is alarming, and we can almost foresee the sad ending of GW that it will be stopped running in China. GW is a fascinating game and bring us enjoyment, and because of the globalization of business strategy, we, players in China, thank you so that we can also enjoy a world class online game. when comparing GW to other online games in the same period in China, GW is a big success because of its outstanding graphic quality, ease of control, etc. GW players in China do not want to let this great, great gaming experience go. The open-beta in China was "explosive". There were over 100 lines (im guessing districts) in Ascalon City. In PVP, there are more than 10 lines (district maybe) in RA. Now, these are only memories. We can say there are already a lot of people in GW if we can get 24 people/3 teams online. There is constant waiting in RA. As time passes by, 9thcity has lost interest in GW. Players are flowing from GW to other games like <Miracle World>(trans). The shutting down of servers, deleting of all open-beta data and their attitude towards customers have made us lost all of our confidence in 9thcity. In China. online game players do not have the power to stand up against the unjust and unfair actions took by game companies. The truth is always kept behind by them. We have no idea the reasons why 9thcity still refuse to connect to the internation server (i think it's the international district for us), and their difficulties to do so. We also have no idea whether the game data we have on the closed server still exist, as well as where the player on the South China server would be later. EoTN was not a world-wide launch, and it lowered our expectation for GW2. In China, there are many who expect a game that is relaxing and enjoyable like GW. The unprotected invested game-time of players, the broken promises of the open-beta, and the failure to transfer from the North Server to the South are making us players angry. These kind of actions seem rare and unlikely, but are really happening in China! In respect of Gw, we had luck and gained "Blessed by Fate", and our opinions can be brought to you and you company. Now 9thcity is no longer the boss, there is someone with larger authoritative power above them. For long the players' complains just for defending our own rights and about the mistreats by game companies in China are overlooked and ignored. Will tragedies be repeated? No, but if we do not act now, the same thing will happen in the future, and at that time we would only be more despair! We are not only fighting for the one game that we love, but also fighting for the ones that love games in the future. Maybe our power is too small, but later it will grow. We believe that this kind of confidence will be carried on. We represent many of the GW players in this letter. Thank you for reading this letter. 20070914 中国大陆激战玩家 GW players from China ------------------------------------------------------- We urgently hope the following problems can be solved: 1) Open up Eye of the North, connect to international service 2) Preserve player's data, give players their legal rights 3) Players of deleted network regions be migrated to the telecom region 4) Guarantee that when Mainland China servers are shut down, they can give a reasonable explanation/solution (migration) Thanks for Frostlight help. Last edited by chinagw; Sep 14, 2007 at 05:44 PM // 17:44.. Reason: Guildwars chinese player |
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Sep 14, 2007, 07:15 AM // 07:15
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Ascalonian Squire
Join Date: Sep 2007
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http://bbs.gw.the9.com/bbs/viewthrea...pf=2&s1=2&s2=N
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Sep 14, 2007, 07:26 AM // 07:26
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Desert Nomad
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: http://tinyurl.com/2jlusq
Guild: Idiot Savants [iQ]
Profession: R/
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Well it's nice to know ANet isn't doing any better for China than they are for the rest of the world.
I was going to quote parts of this dude's post as being classic/epic, but honestly, that whole post is amazing. Sticky? |
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Sep 14, 2007, 07:52 AM // 07:52
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Ascalonian Squire
Join Date: Aug 2007
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chinagw, maybe you should post copy of this message in Gaile Gray WIKI talk page:
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/User_talk:Gaile_Gray |
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Sep 14, 2007, 08:13 AM // 08:13
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McLovin!!!
Join Date: Aug 2005
Guild: Farming Zaishen [keYs]
Profession: Mo/
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The next users who will write anything stupid/offensive about China and Chinese players will get a fairly long ban. Ty.
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Sep 14, 2007, 08:53 AM // 08:53
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Lion's Arch Merchant
Join Date: Oct 2005
Guild: Black Crescent
Profession: E/Mo
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Is this for real? He joined today and this is his first post. I'm afraid to click any of the links...
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Sep 14, 2007, 08:55 AM // 08:55
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Wilds Pathfinder
Join Date: Sep 2005
Profession: Mo/E
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Ok..so this seems to be a rant about a company called the 'the9city' who's apparently handling GW in China?
I'm afraid I dont quite get what the problem is. |
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Sep 14, 2007, 09:01 AM // 09:01
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Wilds Pathfinder
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: The Netherlands
Guild: The Lore Enforcers
Profession: Me/A
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One hell of a lame stunt to pull from Arena Net.
Didn't arena net ban users wich acounts were often accessed from different isp's? with all the netcafe's this might have gone a bit haywire, but to shut down the chines server is ugly at least. good luck to you, for getting your servers back :/ (Well if did understand it properly translate of OP as far as i got it: Quote:
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Sep 14, 2007, 09:14 AM // 09:14
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Frost Gate Guardian
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Down Under
Profession: Rt/
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From what i could gather, they shut down the servers, deleted data and havnt released eotn there, i wonder if GG is within jurisdiction to comment on this.
No wonder the bloke is pissed, its sad to see the game and the community handled this way over there. PS: chinagw love the topic name /signed to stick this just for the topic name 
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Sep 14, 2007, 09:16 AM // 09:16
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Forge Runner
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Mancland, British Empire
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Ok, I think what he's trying to say is that 9city shut down their server in china-cnc area and deleted all of the players data. Hence so may chinese players left their home server in anger to play on other server. And his other problem is that GW:EN won't be release there for some reason.
Also, you have to pay to play GW over there as well it seem and many are willing to do that. Basically he's asking for the reason of why this is happening for him and his people and he's asking for the same right as the rest of GW players elsewhere. I have no idea how Anet do their business in that region, or anything about the server & internet supplier. If I understand correctly, you can't play GW in china right now because there's noone to run the server? Edit: By ANet, I mean NCSoft. Last edited by Etta; Sep 14, 2007 at 09:31 AM // 09:31.. |
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Sep 14, 2007, 09:21 AM // 09:21
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Ascalonian Squire
Join Date: Sep 2007
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Dear Sir/Madam
Hello. Welcome for reading this letter. The content may long so it will consume a bit time of you. We are guildwar’s players. We love this game, but the game is going to stop running. Guildwar is a very good designed game, which takes us many funny things. The globalization in game running which makes the Chinese player can try the high-speed network game. Guildwar and other suck network games to compare, guildwar is the winner! The quality of control and screen, etc. The players are not wanna give up those precious memory. The game in beta period was famous, in Ascalon (a game city) has been connected 100 lines. In PVP mode, also lots of clients connected. Those are the past. Nowadays, the clubs game has 34 or above teams is very much players are playing. The 9City do not hold the players. The network was closed and deleted. We are a sheep and let the agent to kill us. We can’t anti the agent and the truth is not noticed. The promise does not realize. We are battling in the struggling with the 9City. Although our power is weak, we should provide the power to save the game! By Tszkin, none copyright 20070914 中国大陆激战玩家 |
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Sep 14, 2007, 09:24 AM // 09:24
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Wilds Pathfinder
Join Date: Sep 2005
Profession: Mo/E
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NcSoft however has a deal with The9 to bring GW to mainland China: Quote:
Sounds to me like this is an issue between NcSoft and The9. Hm, this sounds more ominous though Quote:
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Sep 14, 2007, 09:43 AM // 09:43
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Ascalonian Squire
Join Date: Sep 2006
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Translation attempt
感谢您在百忙之中抽出宝贵的时间阅读这份信，我们将占用您少许的时间。
Thank you for taking your valuable time to read this letter. We will only take a little bit of your time. 初次见面，我们是一群大陆激战玩家，深爱着这款游戏（Guildwars），但目前激战在大陆 的运营状况令 人担忧，我们深刻的预见到激战在大陆停止运营的悲惨结局。 Greetings, we are a group of Mainland China Guild Wars players, who deeply love this game (Guild Wars). But at the moment GW's situation in Mainland China is worrying, and we foresee the tragic result of GW ceasing to operate in Mainland China. 激战，她是款非常出色的游戏，带给我们带来了无穷的乐趣与回味，全球化的运营手段使中国的玩家 们也能体验到 高端网络游戏，十分感谢。激战与大陆同期网络游戏相比是非常成功的，无论从画质，操作性等，大 陆玩家不想放 弃这么宝贵的体验经历。 GW, it is a very outstanding game that brought us endless fun and memories. Its world-class operation enabled China's players to experience high-end online games, and we are grateful. GW is very successful compared to other contemporary online games in Mainland China - whether it is the graphics, controls, etc. Mainland China players don't want to give up this valuable gaming experience. 激战在中国大陆测试阶段非常火暴，阿斯卡隆城就有100多条线路，在PVP模式中，随即竞技场也曾经达到过 几十条线路的规模，但这仅仅是过去。现在的大陆激战，公会战有三支24人的队伍已经算是很热闹了，随即战中 经常找不到队伍。随着时间的推移，第九城市对激战的热情下降，玩家人群开始流失，转移到奇迹世界等网络游戏 中，并且第九城市突然关闭了大陆网通区（资料删除），出尔反尔的态度使玩家对代理商失去了最后 一丝信心。 GW in Mainland China was very popular during the test period. Ascalon had more than 100 districts. In PVP, even the arena had over tens of districts at one time. But all this is in the past. As it is now for PVP in Mainland China, guild battles with three 24-person teams would already be considered lively. In instant battles, teams could often not be found. With the passage of time, the9city's committment to GW is failing, and players are leaving and migrating to "Miracle World" and other online games. Also, the9city suddenly closed the Mainland China network region (deletion of data), and this attitude of going back on their word has made players lost all confidence in the operator. 在大陆，网络游戏玩家一直是弱势群体，如同鱼肉一样，仍人宰割，玩家没有力量与代理商那种不公正的待遇做抗 衡，真相一直被代理商掩盖着，我们丝毫不知道第九城市迟迟不连通国际服的用意以及难处，也不知道网通区关闭 后资料是否仍然存在，同样也不知道未来电信区被关闭后玩家何去何从。北方之眼非全球同步，这让 人对于激战2 （GW2）的期待也大大的降低了。在中国有更多的人期待激战那种轻松愉快的游戏方式。 In Mainland China, online game players are in a weak position. Players don't have the power to contest with the operator over unfair treatment, and the truth has been hidden by the operator. We don't know the9city's intentions and difficulties in connecting to international service, whether the data is still there after the network region was closed, or what the players should do after the telecom region was shut down. In China, there are more people still out there anticipating GW's casual and fun playstyle. 玩家在游戏中投入的时间得不到保障，公开测试后的承诺都化为了泡影，被删除的网通区也不转移至 电信区，这些 都让玩家冷齿。这样的行为看似不可能发生，但它确实在中国大陆发生了！痛心疾首！ The time spent in-game by players is not being protected. All the promises after the public play test turned out to be illusions, and the deleted network regions were not moved to the telecom region. All this has left the players discouraged. This kind of behaviour seemed impossible to happen, but it did happen in Mainland China! Terrible! 对于激战来说，我们带着一些幸运，偶然获得了Blessed by Fate，我们可以把意见反映给贵公司，因为第九城市不在是只手遮天的人物，在他之上拥有着一位更具权威的 人。历来大陆玩家投诉中国大陆代理商的种种行为，要求维护自己的权益都被漠视了，难道要让悲剧重演吗？不， 不行，现在不做出努力，将来也会发生同样的悲剧，也许未来的我们会更加的无奈！我们不单单是为了自己喜欢的 游戏而努力奋斗，同时也是为了未来与我们一样热爱游戏的人们。也许我们现在的力量微不足道，但 将来不是，我 们相信这份信心将会传递下去。 For GW, we have a bit of luck and are blessed by fate. We can reflect our opinions to your Company, because the9city cannot cover everything up, and there is someone above them. Time after time, when players complain about the behavior of operators in Mainland China and attempt to protect their rights, they were ignored. Do we want history to repeat itself? No, no way, if we don't try now, similar tragedies will just happen again, and we might even be more helpless in the future! We are not just fighting for our favorite game, but also for other upcoming passionate gamers. Our attempts may be feeble now, but it won't be in the future, and we hope this faith will continue. 我仅代表众多大陆激战玩家提写此文，如有冒昧，望谅。 感谢您的阅读 We submit this on behalf of all Mainland China GW players, and apologize for any offenses caused. Thank you for reading. 20070914 中国大陆激战玩家 Mainland China GW Players [They either have a different game mechanics or something's wrong in the letter or my translation, but you get the point. And this looks like an open letter intended directly for Anet, because the local operator is making a mess and trying to cover things up. They are hopeful that because for GW, they at least have a higher power to appeal to (as opposed to local games in China).] |
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Sep 14, 2007, 10:07 AM // 10:07
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Jungle Guide
Join Date: Jan 2006
Profession: Me/
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Sep 14, 2007, 10:40 AM // 10:40
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Lion's Arch Merchant
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: California
Guild: Resurrect Me [Help]
Profession: N/Mo
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The translated version makes it so much easier to read. Thanks Frostlight.
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Sep 14, 2007, 11:01 AM // 11:01
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Ascalonian Squire
Join Date: Sep 2007
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大陆激战将要落没，我们为了这款喜爱的游戏是不是应该做些什么，长久以来，玩家们只能眼睁睁的看着自己心爱 的角色被删除，自己喜欢的游戏无理由的关闭，这些都将成为我们的遗憾。
时代不同了，玩家们不应该任人宰割，拿起自己的武器，敲打起自己的键盘，为了维护自己的微薄的利益。我们该 做些什么了。 虽然现在我们的力量很微弱，但也许在将来的某一时刻，大陆玩家在维护自身利益的时候，声音更响亮，力量更强 大！ 团结起来，努力一下，大家都拿出自己的一份力量，历史将记得我们。 签名:weillz 为自己热爱的游戏.为自己心爱的激战努力~ 签名:水镜渺渺 关注激战，希望它不要垮掉.... 签名：小滴儿 我是尽了我最大的努力了,我连上学期时尚的作业都是做的激战宣传策划。并且把宣传册放在展示台展示的。哎~ 不知道有米人看。这个游戏概念毕竟有点前卫,有很多人接受不了,如果官方大力宣传,并且玩家之间互助多一点 的话,相信玩的人会越来越多的- -! 内测的时候不也有很多人玩吗？ 签名:九晗,谥魅,芥子,佛手柚,靥惑荭莲,泠梵音,及笄 从最初的暗黑破坏神、星际、魔兽、魔兽世界...一直到现在的经典大作激战世界，换来世界所有玩家一个个最 高声的喝彩。我已经毫不犹豫的下定决心，你们的游戏将是我一生的选择！ 但是我却同时要面临着另一个问题，这些游戏全部都由九城代理！这么多年的游戏以来，卡机、掉线、盗号、欺骗 玩家...都是九城的家常便饭！这么多年来，我身边所有和我一起兴高采烈的玩游戏的朋友们，全都因为九城的 原因，舍弃了自己心爱的游戏，一个个离开了我的身边，离开了九城所代理的游戏。他们跟我说：即使玩低级的游 戏，但有一个好代理一样会有好心情；再好的游戏，代理不好的话，一直都会痛苦下去，一次次的受到伤害... 现在我只有一个人孤独的奋斗下去... 我很早就在关注激战世界了，当我看到相关的游戏介绍，我就决定了激战将是我最喜欢的游戏。我每天都在乞求上 帝，千万不要落到九城的手里！我苦于不懂英文，无法告诉你，我心爱的游戏啊，你不要落到恶魔的 手中！ 可是，很不幸，九城又代理了他，随之而来的卡机，盗号问题便频频出现。更令人难以置信的是，九城居然出尔反 尔，关闭了网通线路的服务器！删除了所有玩家的心血，假如说一个盗号者就能让游戏损失高额的网络财产，那么 ，九城这种关闭服务器的行为又将让游戏损失多少财产呢？又会叫多少游戏迷们心灰意冷呢？难道就这样算了吗？ 不，决不！我已经无法容忍了，已经暴发极限了！我要大声的呐喊，大声的说出我心中的不满，积压了多少年的怒 火啊！ 由于激战迟迟不开国际服，九城不用心经营等原因，导致激战游戏玩家大量流失，现在整个激战世界的人寥寥无几 ，队伍和GVG已经长时间空无一人。现在的激战，已经面临没落的边缘。 为了我们一生心爱的游戏，为了我们不满的代理，我想告诉我最心爱的游戏公司，告诉你们一个小小玩家的心声， 希望你们能够听见我的话，救救我们吧，救救我们一生的游戏吧！ 签名：奔放(瘦瘦的小羊) 亲爱的先生/女士： 您好！ gw是一款非常非常好的游戏，是一款真正能够评为游戏的游戏。真心希望gw能在中国不断的推广，让更加多的 中国游戏迷领略这么gw的魅力。 在中国，在运营、在公测或者在内测的游戏，近百部吧。但很多游戏都变质了，通过刺激玩家的负面情感（比如仇 恨、色情、背叛），引诱玩家持续在游戏里投入巨量的金钱，或者将练级的难度提高到您想象不到的难度，迫使玩 家没天没夜的逗留在游戏。甚至有些游戏（比如征途）公开宣称这是一款有钱人的游戏，比的就是谁 的钱多。 而GW，完全不同。（PVE和PVP的心得体会，还是那些PVE和PVP牛人来写吧） GW很优秀，但在中国的前景很暗淡。也许。。。。。。。您们会说，别担心，08年会有GW2，小伙子们要有 耐心。 但我们只希望GW能继续留在中国，只想现在就能在GW国际服务器上以中国的身份跟全世界的朋友们一起玩，想 让更加多的中国人能领略GW的魅力。 目前的种种，让我们这些留守在GW的人，感到绝望。朋友一个一个的离去。不认识的朋友，也一个一个的离开。 每天在空荡荡的阿斯卡隆城，我也不清楚自己能坚持到哪天。 请给我们这些留守GW的一个希望，谢谢。 游戏名：可曾记得我 向9C宣战，我们需要游戏的权利 签名：fuyuen0396 只希望这个签名能起到作用，不过真的不抱什么太大的希望。要是能解决早就解决了，不会拖到现在。就算大家都 来签名，能给9C多大的压力？退一步说，就算真的压力很大，条件不允许，他还是不会开。用法律？...算了 ，有谁有这个精力，时间，金钱去跟他耗。除了 耐心的 无奈的 伤心的等待，别无他法. 签名：孤独DE小海 我们一直在期待 连通国际的那天到来 签名：蓝涩番茄 PLZ Frostlight |
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Sep 14, 2007, 11:04 AM // 11:04
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Ascalonian Squire
Join Date: Sep 2007
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我们迫切希望解决以下问题：
1）开通北方之眼，连通国际线 2）保留玩家数据，给予玩家合法的权益 3）已删除的网通区玩家移民至电信区 4）保证大陆服务器关闭时，能给予玩家一个合理的说法（移民 |
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Sep 14, 2007, 11:05 AM // 11:05
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Wilds Pathfinder
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Washington
Profession: W/E
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An official response from someone (even if it's just "We're looking into it") would be nice right about now. This honestly sounds serious: Deletion of data, getting errors from logging in from multiple IP addresses due to Netcafes (Ironic, since Areanet themselves are obviously supporting the use Netcafes, as seen with the foreign minipets), The9 covering up the problems, and the fact that this poor guy had to come to English forums just to get the word out that China is having problems with The9 on the whole. Come on.
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Sep 14, 2007, 11:16 AM // 11:16
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Forge Runner
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: US
Guild: Old Married Gamers {OMG}
Profession: W/
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I guess i will have to wait for someone to translate that ^^
But to Chinagw: 与力量战斗和力争自由不惜一切代价。它是好的价值它同志 Coridan |
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Sep 14, 2007, 11:19 AM // 11:19
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Wilds Pathfinder
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Washington
Profession: W/E
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We hope to resolve the following problems: 1) The opening (release?) of Eye of the North (and?) allowing international connectivity. 2) To keep players by giving players their legitimate rights and interests (IE, keeping your promises [I think]) 3) The net code which prevents players to connect when migrating to different telecommunications (basically, it sounds like the Error code that prevents you from logging in at different IPs, something that their NetCafes are having problems with. I'm not actually sure about this one) 4) If the Chinese server gets shuts down, give players a reasonable argument of why it was shut down. If someone wants to correct me go ahead, I just thought I'd try to lighten the load on the translation. |
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